6:11PM yoli Bill: Don't the people, whether men or women, that get involved with someone going through MLC have issues as well?Not to mention in this case that they are low quality men.We have a saying in Spanish that you go from Guatemal to Guatepeor (You go from bad to worse).Seems to apply in this case.
6:11PM Bill Yoli: The Bible says that bad company corrupts good morals. People always look for others who are at the same level of pain as they are. They may not be aware they are doing that but they do it nonetheless. So, yes, you can safely assume that both people involved in the bad decision have issues.
8:07 PM [doveseyes] bill...I am doing horrible. Just found out a potential health problem that could be bad. I informed my h who said well, I care about you as the mother of my kids by I don’t love you and I want a divorce. then he spent times with each of our kids and bashed me. told them all the reasons he left and pursued tons of women. what say you?
8:07 PM [Bill] Doveseyes: First of all, I am so sorry. In a perfect world, things like this would never happen and I know it breaks your heart to hear such things. Give yourself permission to grieve because these things overwhelm the heart and build up intense emotions which need to be relieved somehow. Then pray like crazy for wisdom to know how to respond. Defending yourself to your kids or retaliating won't do you any good. I think we can all agree to pray for you and ask God to do a physical healing and a healing of the heart.
8:59 PM [sbky] bill I am afraid to hope anymore my husband has been gone 4 1/2 years and filed for d 2 weeks ago
8:59 PM [Bill] sbky: I know this is hard but never give up hope. God is always at work. He doesn't always do what we want but He eventually causes all things to work together for good. Pain in relationships is a real loss but we don’t want to keep losing by giving up hope.
8:27 PM [hepsy] Bill - h is still coming in our room in the am and talking to me for about 5 min. Sometimes it is awkward. I want to talk about more personal things but I try to keep it light. Is there ever a time for relationship talk??
8:27 PM [Bill] hepsy: Timing is everything. Things can get so strange during this time of life and it can seem like it will never change. The truth, however, is that when it changes, it moves quickly and we are often unprepared because of our own pain. Do your best to enjoy the time you get and pray that you are in tune when the time is right.
8:53 PM [koko] Bill I definitely hear you. I would wait a lifetime for her. I think by my w being home and in the same bed that the urge is a little stronger but I am more thrilled that she is home and I believe there is no OM. I believe through all this I have learned what love truly is. I wish I learned it sooner, they say God does everything for a reason. He gave me a wakeup call
8:53 PM [Bill] Koko: Wow. What a comment on your part. May we all learn from your example?
8:09 PM [hepsy] bill - my h won't look at me (unless he is intoxicated) and I assume it is because of guilt. Do you think most guilt points to OW or just because they know they are behaving in ways that are hurting the family?
8:09 PM [Bill] hepsy - Guilt is a strange thing. It causes people to act defensively and childishly. Trying to make sense of it is impossible because the dots don't connect. Once people start choosing poorly, they quit thinking clearly and act in ways that are confusing, ineffective and immature. I think the best response is to accept that he is responding this way because of him not you.
8:37 PM [MarySarah] Bill, My H is a particularly angry man with loads of baggage that he refuses to come to grips with. He is a runner & avoider, surface in relationships, poor attachment & abandonment issues. My H seemed to attach so easily to this ow as she is in some ways a female copy of him....very nice to people's faces & if it suits them. Everything is about fun & convenience. My H is so stand offish after 3 yrs or unkind. He doesn't step foot in our home even. It wasn't until recently he could say hello on the phone rather than grunt out a kids name to speak to. He still sometimes doesn't write my first name on support envelopes. Do I leave the rope on the ground so to speak or reach out. If I am kind or ask his advice, he tells all his employees & uses it to mock me i.e. like I asked his advice on ice fishing equip for our dtr or if he wanted take her...He lied & told people I asked him to take me He approached me at kids event & needed to gush, yet tells everyone I was stocking him as we watched our son.
8:43 PM [bill] MarySarah at 37: You described a number of issues of the heart in regard to you H. He is "angry" with "loads of baggage" etc. These are issues only God can steer. We often get trapped trying to change these things that we can't on our own. It is overly simple to say but job #1 is to make sure forgiveness is solid in your heart because this stuff hurts (we have a plan for keeping forgiveness alive in Men Are Like Waffles, Women Are Like Spaghetti and Love, Honor and Forgive). Job #2 is to keep boundaries that maintain self-respect for you (Boundaries by Cloud and Townsend is helpful). Job #3 is to keep asking God to change your H heart. When God moves his heart, good things happen. In the absence of that, your efforts usually end up in disappointment.